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		<title>By: Roger</title>
		<link>http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/09/15/abstinence-and-communism/comment-page-1/#comment-19655</link>
		<dc:creator>Roger</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Fri, 19 Sep 2008 20:12:22 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Maybe these sites should decrease the dosage at every visit.  You might not be able to have scheduled appointments with people who stumble in (literally or figuratively), but perhaps a weaning schedule might help.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Maybe these sites should decrease the dosage at every visit.  You might not be able to have scheduled appointments with people who stumble in (literally or figuratively), but perhaps a weaning schedule might help.</p>
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		<title>By: Bec</title>
		<link>http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/09/15/abstinence-and-communism/comment-page-1/#comment-19651</link>
		<dc:creator>Bec</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Thu, 18 Sep 2008 15:51:21 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Good point. In my line of work (social services), there is a whole new pragmatic approach called the harm reduction model that promotes things like, needle exchange programs, handing out of condoms, and even programs that serve a &quot;safe&quot; level of alcohol to alcoholics to prevent them from drinking mouthwash and perfume. 

Part of me really dislikes this approach because it means we are spending our money and our resources on supplying people with the means to continue with their addiction or unwise choices, which will ultimately be their downfall. Not only does it seem to condone the action, my biggest problem with it is that it removes the natural consequences to negative actions. And since we already know that people will do extremely destructive things to themselves and others when the consequences are removed, I feel like its a big step in the wrong direction.

The flip side however, is that we do need to be realistic in our approach to helping people and to meeting them where they are at. I don&#039;t know where the line balancing these two concepts is yet.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Good point. In my line of work (social services), there is a whole new pragmatic approach called the harm reduction model that promotes things like, needle exchange programs, handing out of condoms, and even programs that serve a &#8220;safe&#8221; level of alcohol to alcoholics to prevent them from drinking mouthwash and perfume. </p>
<p>Part of me really dislikes this approach because it means we are spending our money and our resources on supplying people with the means to continue with their addiction or unwise choices, which will ultimately be their downfall. Not only does it seem to condone the action, my biggest problem with it is that it removes the natural consequences to negative actions. And since we already know that people will do extremely destructive things to themselves and others when the consequences are removed, I feel like its a big step in the wrong direction.</p>
<p>The flip side however, is that we do need to be realistic in our approach to helping people and to meeting them where they are at. I don&#8217;t know where the line balancing these two concepts is yet.</p>
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		<title>By: daniel</title>
		<link>http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/09/15/abstinence-and-communism/comment-page-1/#comment-19637</link>
		<dc:creator>daniel</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 14:31:18 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Geof, yeah. I don&#039;t know either. It&#039;s a lot like safe injection sites. We know there will be drug addicts, and we know the extravagant cost of managing AIDS. Safe injection sites help lower the incidence of HIV/AIDS and lowers the overall cost to society. But it looks a lot like condoning drug use, so I generally don&#039;t like it.

Maybe that&#039;s my problem, though. I have a strong tendency to believe that drug addicts deserve what they get, even though I know this tendency is wrong. I have the same tendency with teenagers having sex, and I suspect I&#039;m not alone in feeling that if you&#039;re so stupid that you can&#039;t prevent a pregnancy you deserve what you get. Even though this is completely wrong-headed and wholly uncharitable.

Yet I know that it&#039;s better to not have HIV or AIDS, and I know it&#039;s better for young people not to have babies. Of course it&#039;s even better not to use drugs at all, and even better if you abstain from sexuality before marriage, but neither of those ideals address reality. 

But I still don&#039;t know.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Geof, yeah. I don&#8217;t know either. It&#8217;s a lot like safe injection sites. We know there will be drug addicts, and we know the extravagant cost of managing AIDS. Safe injection sites help lower the incidence of HIV/AIDS and lowers the overall cost to society. But it looks a lot like condoning drug use, so I generally don&#8217;t like it.</p>
<p>Maybe that&#8217;s my problem, though. I have a strong tendency to believe that drug addicts deserve what they get, even though I know this tendency is wrong. I have the same tendency with teenagers having sex, and I suspect I&#8217;m not alone in feeling that if you&#8217;re so stupid that you can&#8217;t prevent a pregnancy you deserve what you get. Even though this is completely wrong-headed and wholly uncharitable.</p>
<p>Yet I know that it&#8217;s better to not have HIV or AIDS, and I know it&#8217;s better for young people not to have babies. Of course it&#8217;s even better not to use drugs at all, and even better if you abstain from sexuality before marriage, but neither of those ideals address reality. </p>
<p>But I still don&#8217;t know.</p>
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		<title>By: GFMorris.com &#187; links for 2008-09-15</title>
		<link>http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/09/15/abstinence-and-communism/comment-page-1/#comment-19633</link>
		<dc:creator>GFMorris.com &#187; links for 2008-09-15</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 04:03:36 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>[...] Elsewhere in Dreams » Blog Archive » Abstinence (and Communism) &quot;Morality aside, the reality is that abstinence-only sex education as a model fails because it needs too many people to change too radically in order to work. It doesn’t work. It never has. It never will.&quot; Dan&#039;s point is great. (tags: gfmorris_comment sex_education) [...]</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>[...] Elsewhere in Dreams » Blog Archive » Abstinence (and Communism) &quot;Morality aside, the reality is that abstinence-only sex education as a model fails because it needs too many people to change too radically in order to work. It doesn’t work. It never has. It never will.&quot; Dan&#39;s point is great. (tags: gfmorris_comment sex_education) [...]</p>
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		<title>By: Geof F. Morris</title>
		<link>http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/09/15/abstinence-and-communism/comment-page-1/#comment-19632</link>
		<dc:creator>Geof F. Morris</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Tue, 16 Sep 2008 01:44:58 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>You&#039;re exactly right, Dan!  Great analogy.  Sadly, I don&#039;t have a good answer for your question.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>You&#8217;re exactly right, Dan!  Great analogy.  Sadly, I don&#8217;t have a good answer for your question.</p>
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