Comments on: Good news for those of us screwed over by Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron). http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/04/28/good-news-for-those-of-us-screwed-over-by-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron/ A personal narrative. Tue, 07 Oct 2008 15:51:06 +0000 http://wordpress.org/?v=2.6.2 By: daniel http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/04/28/good-news-for-those-of-us-screwed-over-by-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron/#comment-18809 daniel Fri, 02 May 2008 14:09:43 +0000 http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/?p=1533#comment-18809 I know. I noted this in my bug report. I couldn't find any pre-release information about this save that there was a new version of the X server that depended on xrandr over and above xinerama/Twinview. I think the release notes should outline any functionality regressions that the user might experience during upgrading. For instance, running anything more than 2 monitors and 1 graphics card. Or flashplugin-nonfree not necessarily working with PulseAudio. Or PulseAudio not really working with most non-default Gnome apps. Or the "perfect setup" from the upstream PulseAudio developers working a hell of a lot better than the current Ubuntu 8.04 setup. I know both the xrandr (a hard to type command too!) and PulseAudio integration are steps backwards that had to be taken at some point in order to fix the screwed up X server and sound server situation that makes running Ubuntu a bit of a joke in some situations. But for a LTS where I'm expecting stability over and above new features? Not the best time to deploy major features and major breakage. Flash not working with PulseAudio by default is a serious showstopper, for instance. There's a bug report on this going all the way back to the Hardy Alpha... this isn't something people don't know about. There's a solution that Fedora came up with involving the use of nswrapper for the Flash plugin that works for them -- they went through all the PulseAudio pain a lot earlier that Ubuntu after all. There are some lessons to be learned here, I think. I know. I noted this in my bug report. I couldn’t find any pre-release information about this save that there was a new version of the X server that depended on xrandr over and above xinerama/Twinview.

I think the release notes should outline any functionality regressions that the user might experience during upgrading. For instance, running anything more than 2 monitors and 1 graphics card. Or flashplugin-nonfree not necessarily working with PulseAudio. Or PulseAudio not really working with most non-default Gnome apps. Or the “perfect setup” from the upstream PulseAudio developers working a hell of a lot better than the current Ubuntu 8.04 setup.

I know both the xrandr (a hard to type command too!) and PulseAudio integration are steps backwards that had to be taken at some point in order to fix the screwed up X server and sound server situation that makes running Ubuntu a bit of a joke in some situations. But for a LTS where I’m expecting stability over and above new features? Not the best time to deploy major features and major breakage.

Flash not working with PulseAudio by default is a serious showstopper, for instance. There’s a bug report on this going all the way back to the Hardy Alpha… this isn’t something people don’t know about. There’s a solution that Fedora came up with involving the use of nswrapper for the Flash plugin that works for them — they went through all the PulseAudio pain a lot earlier that Ubuntu after all. There are some lessons to be learned here, I think.

]]> By: Phil Urich http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/04/28/good-news-for-those-of-us-screwed-over-by-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron/#comment-18805 Phil Urich Fri, 02 May 2008 06:48:28 +0000 http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/?p=1533#comment-18805 Ack. But I've already upgraded. Although I know I should have read up on things ahead of time, seriously now, this is a pretty damn serious regression and I'm not particularly impressed. Ack. But I’ve already upgraded. Although I know I should have read up on things ahead of time, seriously now, this is a pretty damn serious regression and I’m not particularly impressed.

]]> By: Elsewhere in Dreams » Impressions of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and the new X.org http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/2008/04/28/good-news-for-those-of-us-screwed-over-by-ubuntu-804-hardy-heron/#comment-18787 Elsewhere in Dreams » Impressions of Ubuntu 8.04 (Hardy Heron) and the new X.org Tue, 29 Apr 2008 03:46:42 +0000 http://www.rmfo-blogs.com/daniel/?p=1533#comment-18787 [...] Don’t read this. It’s just an angry rant. Read this instead, as it has actual information in [...] [...] Don’t read this. It’s just an angry rant. Read this instead, as it has actual information in [...]

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