Music, the response.
I knew someone would one day respond to this post, and behold, Kevin did. Ergo, I just had to respond. So here we go with blockquotes within blockquotes. I’ve also taken the liberty of cleaning up some of the writing.
I was wholeheartedly nodding along to your arguments until I reached the 4th paragraph. My responses to excerpts:
…get to a point where we don’t sound like we stepped out of a time portal and were plunked down in the middle of the country.I don’t particularly want to sound like that, but there’s nothing really wrong with being that way either.
Agreed, that there is nothing wrong with sounding like that. But I didn’t say there was anything wrong with it. I’m merely arguing expediency. Do we want to reach out to out culture? Yes. Do we want to reach out to our youth? Yes. Then we need to have at least some bases to touch with them, and one of those bases is stylings: that is to say that the music of the 1700s is largely no longer relevant to them. Why sing only them then? (Note the emphasis; I’ll get to that later.)
The music of the 1952 Psalter Hymnal — face it — isn’t relevant to today’s music.Yes, but why would we care if our worship songs were relevant to music? Any music? We want our worship songs to be releveant to our Lord, and our relationship to him. Ultimately, tune matters little. Rather it is words, motives, and feeling that do.
You and I will continue to disagree there. Tune matters a great deal, because we are not dealing with robots here, we’re dealing with real live human beings, real human beings that can distinguish a good tune from a bad one. There’s nothing wrong with wanting the songs we sing to be considered excellent songs, whether that be the sentements expressed or the tune sung, but you have to realize that what was an excellent song 100 years ago can be somewhat tired-sounding today.
And irrelevant music is the last thing you want the youth of your church bored with…Why? These hymns are not to entertain us. These hymns are to praise God. It’s all about him, not at all about us. If people … get “bored” by the songs, they need to refocus.
Worship is God-focused, yes, but it is also man-made. You simple can’t argue that you can sing the same G-note in a steady rhythm for five minutes and as long as the words are fine, it’s all peachy. Again, it’s not wrong to want to sing a song that is enjoyable, because though worship is God-focused, it is man-affective as well as man-made. Perhaps “bored” was the wrong wording, though.
…even I hate some of those old hymns. I can appreciate what they are, but that doesn’t mean that I actually enjoy singing them.I know, man. Some of the tunes sound like funeral songs. And I am not against incorporating some newer songs with better music into our worship services. What I am against is incorporating newer songs into our services only by virtue of the fact that they are newer. Who cares when they were written?
I’ve sort of already explained why we care when they were written. But you know me better than to think that I want to replace all the old songs with new ones: what I want is to replace some of the songs that most people agree are passe with good songs written in a more contemporary context.
You see, worship doesn’t just happen in a vacuum like you seem to think; it happens in the context of culture, and the culture of hymns is something we just don’t have anymore. As soon as you rip worship out of the context of culture, on some level we really start to lose some understanding of it. Let’s not forget our history of hymns, no way, but let’s also not forget that there are plenty of great songs floating around that are not only God-glorifying, but also fit the stylisms of our modern culture.
An example: most of the hymns are written in verse form, with a constant rhyme and rhythm. Some have choruses, but not in the same way we do them today. Our modern V/C/V/C/B/C form has become dominant, and it’s what most people understand when you say the word “song”, whereas that wasn’t really true before Blues and The Beatles came around.
There is an importance to changing what we do with our surroundings — not our content, but our styles, guardedly — because I want church to be just as much a vibrant part of my life as anything else, not like stepping into some shift in time. Certainly you can understand why it is that people just do not understand our brand of Reformed Church unless they’ve grown up in them?
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oh gee.
November 24th, 2004 at 8:02 amDax, I see your point, but I agree with Kevin.
You’re right, worship is a reflection of culture. But you have to recognize that as a Reformed churches, we have a culture as well. I find that I don’t appreciate it until I leave. But I’ve been in several different churches in the last few weeks, and it’s made me appreciate the home that I personally have with my church.
I have to laugh whenever I hear people complainging about the 1952 Psalter Hymnal. I grew up with much, much worse than that. The songs I sang where literally 17th century Genevan songs, meant to be sung accapella, etc. No one who hadn’t grown up in the church could sing them. A lot of my family still belongs to those churches, and now whenever I visit them I have Peter with me, and he just can’t sing along. note that he grew up in a Reformed church.
So when we joined Zion URC I was AMAZED at the beautiful music. Those hymns are POETRY…and 90% of the tunes are beautiful. The sudden ability to harmonize in church! To be convicted as well as ministered to by the words of the hymns almost as much - and sometimes more - than the sermon! That is a true blessing a lot of more “hip to the culture” churches don’t have.
I want to make two points here: one, that appreciation for the hymns is a lot easier to attain in a building with decent acoustics and a well-tuned and -played piano or organ. (and the occasional trumpet, violin, or flute, which our church includes frequently)
two, that there are two extremes and I sincerely believe are both wrong. There are people who want NO change in our music selections. Which I don’t believe is good, because it’s not like music is a closed canon. Good music is still being composed, somewhere. But the other extreme seems to think that good music is still being composed EVERYWHERE…which is simply not true. I love newer worship music, I own several WOW CDs and I listen to them all the time. But you have to admit that there is not a heck of a lot of meaning in most of those songs. Maybe it’s just because of my upbringing, but the songs that bring out the emotion in me are songs like In Christ Alone, or How Deep the Father’s Love for Us…both songs which simply lay out the gospel message, with little or no emphasis on how “I” feel. Incidentally, they are also written by the same guy, so I plan to keep an eye out for other stuff by him.
I guess all I’m trying to say is don’t throw out the baby with the bathwater. It’s taken me a long time to get here, but I am completely in love with the sincere, heartfelt, and yet somewhat dignified music of the Reformed churches. It would break my heart to see us go to a powerpoint screen with the latest music up on it. (Not that there’s such a problem with powerpoint…I just like to hold a hymnal and see the music in front of me, instead of just words.)